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Where do the Deer & Antelope Play?: A Look at America's Ungulate Populations

Discussion in 'North America - General' started by ThylacineAlive, 22 Aug 2020.

  1. TinoPup

    TinoPup Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    Muntjac, Reeve's
    REMOVE Santa Fe College Teaching Zoo, FL
     
  2. SusScrofa

    SusScrofa Well-Known Member

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    The previous page list Black and Blue Duiker in Zoo Miami as well as Steenbok. None of those animals are there at this point, at least not on-exhibit.
     
  3. ThylacineAlive

    ThylacineAlive Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Miami maintains a number of animals off-exhibit, as do all zoos. Not being on-exhibit ≠ not kept by the zoo. Quite a number of zoos keep and breed duikers off-exhibit.

    ~Thylo
     
  4. SusScrofa

    SusScrofa Well-Known Member

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    I figured as much hence why I said not on exhibit. I usually look at species lists to determine where I may get to see a rare animal so when there is no mention that the animal is bts I like to point that out just because it would stink if someone was planning on going there just to see that rarity only to get disappointed.
     
  5. TinoPup

    TinoPup Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    Animals get moved on and off exhibit all the time. With that many listings, adding in whether they were on or off exhibit at that moment was further work that seemed pointless because it could change so quickly. I expect anyone going somewhere to try and verify things before they visit just to see a few animals.
     
  6. birdsandbats

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    Grant's Farm keeps Blackbuck.

    Wildwood Wildlife Park does not keep Mountain Goat but does keep Bighorn Sheep. I'm assuming that listing was just a mix-up?

    I can confirm DeYoung keep European Mouflon.

    Shamba Safari does not keep Aoudad.

    I can confirm Grant's Farm keeps Red Deer. Shalom Wildlife Zoo possibly does as well.

    ASDM's White-tailed Deer are the distinctive Coue's subspecies. I'm not sure any other zoos keep that subspecies. And isn't there a zoo in Florida with Key Deer?

    Minnesota no longer keeps Visayan Warty Pig.

    Grant's Farm kept Grant's Zebra several years ago but not sure if they still do. I would imagine so.
     
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    Yes, ZooTampa at Lowry Park used to be the only AZA holder of Key Deer. They've since been taken off exhibit and I'm not sure if they still have them, @SwampDonkey might know more details.
     
  8. TinoPup

    TinoPup Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    Grant's no longer has blackbuck or zebra. They completely changed business model a year or two ago and now only have a few species of deer/native hoofstock. I'm not sure they'll even be keeping those.

    At this point I don't know where the listing for mountain goat came from. They're already under bighorn.

    Shamba should still have a whole herd of aoudad, unless they sent them to the other park?

    I didn't do white-tail subspecies, I usually forgot to note if it was one, but a few places keep Coue's and I think I came across two or three small places in FL with key deer.


    Rocky Mountain Goat
    Remove Wildwood Wildlife Park & Safari

    Visayan Warty Pig
    Remove Minnesota Zoo
     
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    birdsandbats Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    No sign of Aoudad at Shamba last summer and they don't have any bts space (at least, none on site). I didn't see any Banteng then either, but they were at least signed (unlike Aoudad).
     
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    I have a friend who visited Shamba over the summer and reported seeing a Banteng.
     
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    A huge kudos to Thylo and Tino for compiling this astonishing list and amazing resource! Thank you both!

    From my inital look through, these are the notable discrepancies:

    No Cuvier’s for Living Desert, the last pair were sent to Larry Johnson last spring.

    1.1 Slender-horned confirmed at Toledo.

    No Speke’s for San Antonio.

    No gerenuk for Peoria or Phoenix.

    No bongo for Nashville -- their herd was sent to the Audubon Species Survival Center.

    Bongo for Aggieland, Ft. Worth, Chahinkapa.

    Lowland nyala for Audubon Zoo.

    Kordofan aoudad for Timbavati.

    Transcaspian urial for St. Louis.

    Tufted deer for Akron.

    No musk deer for Columbus.

    Musk deer confirmed for Dakota.

    Gemsbok confirmed for Lion Country.

    Hartebeest at Lion Country has, indeed, passed.

    Fringe-eared oryx is noticeably missing -- North Carolina, SDZSP, The Wilds, Virginia Safari

    Dik-dik confirmed for Phoenix.

    Uganda kob for Rum Creek.

    No Nile lechwe for Ft Worth or Tampa.

    Nile lechwe for Montgomery, Hemker, and Virginia Safari.

    Red lechwe for Natural Bridge Wildlife Ranch.

    No steenbok for Miami.

    No waterbuck for San Antonio.

    No Somali wild ass for Cleveland, just Persian onager.

    Living Desert has eastern black rhinos.
     
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    ThylacineAlive Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Thanks for these! It does seem a little bit was lost (like the oryx) here and there in the transition from my word document to TP's excel sheet so I'm thankful for any and all updates!

    Another example: Przewalski's Wild Horse is missing for Bronx.

    ~Thylo
     
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    Were these recently acquired? They were not present last September.
     
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    Knew I should have sent it to you first, but you've been so busy :p

    Gazelle, Cuvier's
    REMOVE Living Desert, CA :(

    Gazelle, Dama
    REMOVE Smithsonian National Zoo, DC

    Gazelle, Slender-horned
    CONFIRM Toledo Zoo, OH

    Gazelle, Speke's
    REMOVE San Antonio Zoo, TX

    Gerenuk
    REMOVE Peoria Zoo, IL
    REMOVE Phoenix Zoo, AZ

    Bongo
    ADD Aggieland Wild Animal Safari, TX
    ADD Chahinkapa Zoo, ND
    ADD Fort Worth Zoo, TX
    REMOVE Nashville

    Nyala
    ADD Audubon Zoo, LA

    Sheep, Barbary, Kordofan (Aoudad)
    Add Timbavati Wildlife Park, WI (have both Kordofan and generic)

    Urial, Transcaspian
    ADD St Louis Zoo, MO

    Deer, Tufted
    ADD Akron Zoo, OH

    Musk-Deer, Siberian
    REMOVE Columbus Zoo, OH :(
    CONFIRM Dakota Zoo, ND

    Addax
    ADD Smithsonian National Zoo, DC

    Gemsbok
    CONFIRM Lion Country Safari, FL

    Hartebeest
    REMOVE Lion Country Safari, FL :(

    I forgot to copy Oryx, Fringe-eared over from the spreadsheet! Oops!
    Oryx, Fringe-eared
    Iron Mountain Ranch, TX*
    North Carolina Zoo, NC
    San Diego Safari Park, CA
    The Wilds, OH
    Virginia Safari Park, VA

    Dik-dik, Kirk's
    CONFIRM Phoenix Zoo, AZ

    Kob, Uganda
    ADD Rum Creek / Center for the Conservation of Tropical Ungulates*, FL

    Lechwe, Nile
    ADD Hemker Park & Zoo, MN
    ADD Montgomery Zoo, AL
    ADD Virginia Safari Park, VA
    REMOVE Fort Worth Zoo, TX
    REMOVE ZooTampa, FL

    Lechwe, Red
    ADD Natural Bridge Wildlife Ranch, TX

    Steenbok, Cape
    REMOVE Zoo Miami, FL

    Waterbuck, Ellipsen
    REMOVE San Antonio Zoo, TX

    Hog, Red River
    REMOVE Smithsonian National Zoo, DC

    Ass, Wild
    REMOVE Cleveland Metroparks Zoo, OH

    Rhino, Black, Eastern
    CONFIRM subspecies for Living Desert, CA

    Zebra, Hartmann's Mountain
    ADD Smithsonian Conservation Biology Institute, VA
    Smithsonian Conservation Biology Institute, VA
     
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  15. TinoPup

    TinoPup Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    No that was on me, I have it on my spreadsheet just missed it while copying them all to here :)
     
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    Smithsonian National Zoo no longer has dama gazelle or red river hogs, but now has addax.

    Smithsonian Conservation Biology Institute has Hartmann's mountain zebra and their website lists them as having American bison, but I don't know if that is accurate or not.
     
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    TinoPup Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    Do we know for sure both species are gone and not coming back? I updated my post above to include those changes. I'd been waiting on confirmation for the removals. For the addax, I tend to forget to update "my" zoos :D
     
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    The addax (& now ostrich) live in the old gazelle/oryx exhibit, so it seems they replaced them, especially since both species have also been gone for roughly a year now.

    They could totally plan to get more red river hogs, but they did completely remove their signage so I'd guess they wont for a bit.
     
  19. TinoPup

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    I saw the hogs in February, they definitely have not been gone for a year.

    Crap photo, but you can see one in the background here. From Feb 11th.
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    When did Columbus go out of musk deer?