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ZooChat European Cup Round 2: Dortmund vs Bristol

Discussion in 'ZooChat Cup' started by CGSwans, 18 Nov 2018.

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Primates and carnivores

Poll closed 21 Nov 2018.
  1. Bristol

    76.5%
  2. Dortmund

    23.5%
  1. CGSwans

    CGSwans Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    In which a beloved, if pocket-sized, zoo makes its arrival in the competition. Dortmund carries forth carnivores. Bristol brings primates into the discussion.
     
  2. pipaluk

    pipaluk Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    When I looked at Dortmund's carnivore list, I thought this would be a walkover. Then I looked at the primates list and was surprised to find that it's as bad as Bristol's carnivore list. Tough one to call
     
  3. FunkyGibbon

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    Yes, Dortmund really is abysmal for primates, but I think it does carnivores better that Bristol does the former.
     
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  4. lintworm

    lintworm Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    Dortmund's carnivore collection is pretty good, but mostly housed rather unspectacular, the Lynx aside. Primates are also not its strong suit, with only a limited species number, also not in extremely interesting or particularly good enclosures. The Malayan tapir - Orangutan mix is interesting, but especially outdoors is quite lacking in climbing opportunities.
     
  5. TeaLovingDave

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    This being almost exactly what I was thinking, and very much the reason why I went with Bristol despite the number of carnivore oddities at Dortmund.
     
  6. pipaluk

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    So is it being suggested that Bristol's primate exhibits are great? Bristol cannot beat Dortmund on carnivores, Dortmund couldn't win on primates alone. So are Bristol's primate enclosures better than Dortmund's carnivore ones?

    I can't think of any really good primate exhibits at Bristol, most are OK, but nothing spectacular?
     
  7. Dassie rat

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    Mouse lemurs: Bristol – Grey mouse lemur

    True lemurs: Bristol – Black and white ruffed lemur; blue-eyed black lemur; crowned lemur; Lac Alaotra bamboo lemur; red ruffed lemur; ring-tailed lemur

    Aye-ayes: Bristol – Aye-aye

    Marmosets: Bristol – Callimico; Geoffroy’s marmoset; golden lion tamarin; golden-headed lion tamarin
    Dortmund - Emperor tamarind, pygmy marmoset

    Dourourcoulis: Bristol – Grey-handed night monkey

    Titis and sakis: Bristol - Red titi
    Dortmund – White-faced saki

    Atelids: Bristol – Black and gold howler; Colombian brown spider monkey

    Old World monkeys: Bristol – Drill; lion-tailed macaque

    Gibbons: Bristol - Agile gibbon
    Dortmund - Siamang

    Great apes: Bristol – Western gorilla
    Dortmund – Sumatran orang-utan

    Civets: Dortmund – Himalayan palm civet, Philippine palmcivet

    Cats: Bristol – Lion
    Dortmund – Leopard, northern lynx, Indochinese clouded leopard, jaguar, jaguarondi, serval, southern oncilla

    Dogs: Dortmund – Maned wolf, bat-eared fox

    Bears: Dortmund – Spectacled bear

    Mustelids: Bristol – North American river otter
    Dortmund – Asian small-clawed otter, European badger, giant otter

    Eared seals: Dortmund – Californian sea lion

    Raccoons: Bristol – Northern raccoon
    Dortmund – South American coati

    Bristol 6 (mouse lemurs, true lemurs, aye-aye, douroucoulis, atelids, Old World monkeys)

    Dortmund 4 (civets, dogs, bears, eared seals)


    A win for Bristol
     
  8. pipaluk

    pipaluk Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Does Bristol still have Dourourcouli ? Didn't see any last month. As for the 7-1 score on Cats meaning nothing for Dortmund, I've given my opinion on this strange scoring system already, enough said
     
  9. Ned

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    Bristol no longer have Dourourcouli or blue-eyed black lemur.
     
  10. Dassie rat

    Dassie rat Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    I took the information from ZTL, but I'll change the result to a 5-4 Bristol win. Dortmund has a good collection of cats, but Bristol has a good collection of true lemurs.
     
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  11. FunkyGibbon

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    I had forgotten Seal and Penguin Coast.....
    That's enough to change my vote from Dortmund to Bristol.
     
  12. pipaluk

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    Really? Great exhibit for the visitors I agree, but it's not very big for the fur seals
     
  13. pipaluk

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    I'm looking at the figures on ZTL, I don't understand why this is such a thrashing!? Both slaughter each other in one category Bristol have one decent carnivore enclosure , other than that their collection is poor and enclosures average . Dortmund smashes Bristol on carnivores, someone please make a case for Bristol's wonderful primate enclosures? I don't see any despite the win on species
     
  14. sooty mangabey

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    • Very nice gorilla island - and a pretty attractive house as well.
    • Primate islands are the archetypal such exhibits; if the animals are out, they can look spectacular there (if they're not, they don't, of course).
    • Functional Monkey House - nothing too special there. But not bad either.
    • Aye-aye in the Nocturnal House have to be worth something.
    • Drill cage is, of course, ugly and inadequate - but it does have Drills in it.
     
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  15. pipaluk

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    Still close then!