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Discussion in 'Fantasy Zoos' started by jbnbsn99, 10 Aug 2016.

  1. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member

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    There's some immediate non-starters in the bird list, like little grebe. Silver gull is only a vagrant to New Guinea and bush curlew is just barely found there. Hornbill is on the list twice under different names. A bunch of the widespread birds seem a little redundant for the concept, like great egret and great cormorant. I wouldn't like to see large birds like brolga or pelican squeezed in there.
     
  2. jbnbsn99

    jbnbsn99 Well-Known Member

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    Updated list with Chlidonias' deletions.

    1. Northern cassowary
    2. Papuan hornbill
    3. Black-Necked Stork
    4. Raggiana Bird of Paradise
    5. Eclectus Parrot
    6. Palm Cockatoo
    7. Black Capped Lory
    8. Little Pied Cormorant
    9. Pied Heron
    10. White-faced Heron
    11. Striated Heron
    12. Glossy Ibis
    13. Magpie Goose
    14. Plumed Whistling Duck
    15. Wandering Whistling Duck
    16. Cotton Pygmy Goose
    17. Brahminy Kite
    18. Buff-banded Rail
    19. Australian Swamphen
    20. Masked Lapwing
    21. Metallic Pigeon
    22. Peaceful Dove
    23. Nicobar Pigeon
    24. Southern Crowned Pigeon
    25. Wompoo Fruit-dove
    26. Orante Fruit-dove
    27. Superb Fruit-dove
    28. Torresian Imperial Pigeon
    29. Papuan Mountain Pigeon
    30. Blue-eyed Cockatoo
    31. Brown Lory
    32. Pesquet's Parrot
    33. Edward's Fig Parrot
    34. Dollarbird
    35. Hooded Pitta
    36. Olive-backed Sunbird
    37. Spangled Drongo
    38. King Bird-of-paradise
    39. Metallic Starling
    40. Flame Bowerbird
    41. Goldie's Lorikeet
    42. Double-eyed Fig Parrot
    43. Victoria crowned Pigeon
    44. White-naped Pheasant Pigeon
    45. Emerald Pigeon
    46. Radjah Shelduck
    47. Yellow-Faced Myna
    48. Blue-faced Honeyeater
    49. Black Munia
    50. Blue-faced Parrotfinch
     
  3. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member

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    some more thoughts.

    There are two species of Crowned Pigeons on the list. I think it would make more sense to only have one.

    Brahminy Kite - I wouldn't put birds of prey in there (assuming it is basically one big mixed exhibit?). Otherwise, for me personally, I just don't like seeing birds of prey sitting on perches in aviaries with nowhere they can actually fly.

    Australian Swamphen - are there even any in North America?

    Flame Bowerbird - I think these would not be feasible as an addition, in terms of their captive status. Are there any New Guinea bowerbirds in North America otherwise?
     
  4. jbnbsn99

    jbnbsn99 Well-Known Member

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    Agree with the Kite. Having two crowned pigeons could be doable, as long as there's enough room. There are swamphens here, just not sure of species since the split happened.
     
  5. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member

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    the crowned pigeons will hybridise if housed together. A same-sex group of two or three species would work well if they were "free-range" in the entire exhibit space, but otherwise if the house isn't huge then the ground space would be better utilised by another kind of bird or mammal than a second species of crowned pigeon.

    Just an additional note for anybody planning the exhibit later - purple swamphens will kill and eat smaller birds so if they are in there watch what you house them with!
     
  6. Ituri

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    There is a small number of Fawn-breasted Bowerbirds, FWIW.
     
  7. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member

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    thanks. Not quite as pretty as flame but better than nothing.
     
  8. Ortolan bunting

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    i would like to add Roth's tree frog the species list
     
  9. lowland anoa

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    When is Phase 2 coming out?
     
  10. jbnbsn99

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    Soon. It seems that interest in the collection phase waned however.
     
  11. fkalltheway

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    Here are my comments on the list that was posted a week ago. I've reorganized it by order, because that's how I operate. New species I've added to the list are in green.

    Northern cassowary <-- none in US, not well suited for indoor exhibit

    Magpie Goose
    Plumed Whistling Duck
    Wandering Whistling Duck
    Spotted Whistling Duck <-- SSP species
    Radjah Shelduck
    Cotton Pygmy Goose

    Metallic Pigeon <-- not many left in US
    Peaceful Dove <-- none left in US
    White-naped Pheasant Pigeon <-- not many in US
    Green-naped Pheasant Pigeon <-- SSP species
    Southern Crowned Pigeon <-- not many in US
    Blue Crowned Pigeon <-- SSP species
    Victoria crowned Pigeon
    Nicobar Pigeon
    Emerald Dove aka Green-winged Dove
    Torresian Imperial Pigeon <-- none in US
    Purple-tailed Imperial Pigeon <-- recent imports
    Collared Imperial Pigeon <-- not many in US but a possibility
    Pied Imperial Pigeon
    Wompoo Fruit-dove
    Ornate Fruit-dove <-- none in US
    Superb Fruit-dove <-- none left in US
    Beautiful Fruit-dove
    Papuan Mountain Pigeon

    Buff-banded Rail
    Australian Swamphen

    Black-Necked Stork <-- not many left in US, not well suited for indoor exhibit

    Straw-necked Ibis <-- SSP species
    Glossy Ibis <-- uncommon
    Striated Heron
    Pied Heron <-- none in US
    White-faced Heron <-- none in US

    Little Pied Cormorant <-- none in US, a few in Canada

    Masked Lapwing

    Brahminy Kite <-- none left in AZA, possibly from private sector?, not well suited for indoor exhibit

    Papuan hornbill <-- not many left in US

    Dollarbird
    Blue-winged Kookaburra <-- uncommon

    Palm Cockatoo
    Blue-eyed Cockatoo <-- uncommon
    Pesquet's Parrot
    Eclectus Parrot
    Brown Lory
    Stella's Lory <-- uncommon
    Black Capped Lory
    Dusky Lory
    Coconut Lorikeet

    Goldie's Lory
    Double-eyed Fig Parrot <-- uncommon
    Edward's Fig Parrot <-- uncommon

    Hooded Pitta
    Olive-backed Sunbird <-- none in US
    Blue-faced Honeyeater
    Spangled Drongo <-- none in US
    White-breasted Woodswallow
    Flame Bowerbird <-- none in US
    Fawn-breasted Bowerbird
    Superb Bird of Paradise <-- SSP species
    Magificent Bird of Paradise <-- uncommon
    Red Bird of Paradise <-- uncommon
    Lesser Bird of Paradise
    Raggiana Bird of Paradise
    King Bird-of-paradise <-- none in US
    Yellow-Faced Myna <-- not many left in US
    Metallic Starling
    Blue-faced Parrotfinch
    Black-faced Munia <-- none in US
     
  12. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member

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    the first post to mention cassowary said northern (i.e. single-wattled), the next said southern (i.e. double-wattled). So I guess jbnbsn99 would allow southern to be substituted.
     
  13. jayjds2

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    Unless something has changed, there is still one ornate fruit dove and a few superb fruit doves hanging around in the US. I saw both at the San Diego Zoo in December 2015.

    Also, I mentioned red-knobbed imperial pigeon but it doesn't seem to have ended up in anyone's list.
     
  14. Sealife357

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    I think a discussion should be had regarding the use of "substitution" species. As fkalltheway has pointed out in his amazingly organised list, Blue-winged Kookaburra are uncommon, would it be acceptable to sub in another species of Kookaburra, that is more common within AZA, if the animal is deemed very important to the overall exhibit and theme/message. Same discussion could be had regarding wallabies, echidnas, and cassowary.
     
  15. FunkyGibbon

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    I think we need to take a chainsaw to the list and get it down to 20 or so species. Lots of stuff can go in a walkthrough and then we can have a few satellite/separate aviaries.
    As I understand it the point of this phase is not to create a list of species that one theoretically could include, but rather to make a list that everyone will stick to broadly, with a little room to improvise at the edges.
     
  16. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member

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    how about take the post by fkalltheway (#31), cut out everything with a red arrow next to it, and the remainder is the list. All species don't need to be used, but those are the choices. Particular preference probably should be given to species in green.
     
  17. FunkyGibbon

    FunkyGibbon Moderator Staff Member

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    I might be a bit presumptuous in saying this, but is it possible that this challenge has become overly complicated? The first two had lots of enthusiasm but this one has really petered out.
    I think people really just want to plan exhibits and draw maps. Maybe we can reset this one?
     
  18. jbnbsn99

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    Part of that is my fault. I've been finishing writing a textbook, so I've forgotten to put out the needed info.
     
  19. HOMIN96

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    I don´t think it´s THAT complicated. Yeah the preparation takes time, but then will it run smoothly. I think that people mostly waited for some additional info from jb.
     
  20. Ebirah766

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    I think we can have a relatively large exhibit with some breeding crocodile monitors in it. Next to it can be a large waterfall tank with red-bellied pacu, which are an invasive species